2005-02-24 [Rizzen]: now, my interpretation of the new banner is that we see nothing wrong with the current definition of marriage, and would prefer it didn't change

2005-02-24 [duende_negro]: Well that was what I thoght. yes. Then I asked. You responded me. I'm not very organized anyways when I write, I prefer talking. But I have somethign to say.. though. I don't knwo how to say it. Well There are many wikis that say "Gay marriage" "kill gays" "I'm gay leave me alone" (just examples). Well there are many right about this subject I'll say. But some people judge gays... because they are gays... they don't use teh marriage argument. I've known many people like that, I'm not saying everyone is. I know a friend that's against the marriage, but not because There are gays (I hope I'm explaning myself).Even if I do accept black oppinions ( black as the other way,Not the bad way)

2005-02-24 [duende_negro]: I was refering to "every thing is not allways black and white"...SOmetimes I can't agree with them. So here I am... just..reading what you have to say.

2005-02-24 [i am heddas lost brother]: shut the fuck up you candian

2005-02-24 [Mayuya]: I still don't understand that "homophobic" is like "straightphobic" hehe, Jesus, just think all are humans....you are best than me or i'm best than you just to be homo or staight...? whatever, the banner seems like the gay ppl are things....so please the one who did it...think before, do after, i just pray that one of you don't have a kid that be gay...we pay in the earth all that we do, so if u are againts people, people will be againts you or in this case your future kids can be gay....that's what my mom always say and my grand mom, and my grandmom was 86 when die and she never say anything against gay ppl, she was his/her friend because all are the same down the look of God....

2005-02-24 [The Scarlet Pumpernickle]: Ok stimpy get lost or grow up. If you want people to pay attention to you you are going to have to act a little less like a immature thirteen year old. OK now on to a different comment. Mayuya, I do not understand how some one can interperate the banner as implying that gay people are things. How does that work? The "If it ain't broke to fix it" slogan is refering to marraige not homosexuals.

2005-02-24 [duende_negro]: Who'se a canadian?

2005-02-24 [The Scarlet Pumpernickle]: I am....

2005-02-25 [Kirikale]: Have you reported him to the guards? 

2005-02-25 [The Scarlet Pumpernickle]: nope...but I'm on my way

2005-02-25 [Kirikale]: Cool. :) 

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: Ow ok ...

2005-02-25 [Lioness123]: dang people.....can't we all just get along??

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: People don't allways get along.

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: *shakes head* my badge was made with the meaning that *marriage* "ain't broke," so don't try to "fix it"....it's fine the way it is now...

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: Yes I understood. And it's a good argument... I mean... the way you say it. BUt now I see .. the fight is allways about marriage.

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: that is what this wiki is about is it not?

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: The main idea, yes. But... people dont' allways talk about it.

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: well, since "gays" are the basic subject, they are often brought up...

2005-02-25 [The Scarlet Pumpernickle]: that's because people are suposed to go to gay marriage debate for that

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: Yes, well that I know. and... we will allways get out the "marriage" subject.

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: so? this wiki would get boring and die if we didn't stray from the topic now and then...like we are now...(^_^)

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: Yes... it would... but that was what I comment at first. And I asked... then he said ti was teh marriage..a nd we start all over again....

2005-02-25 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: hummm....interesting, but i suppose marriage is always in the picture b/c homos prefer their own sex in a relationship, hence hinting sexual ideals and marriage

2005-02-25 [Mayuya]: The Scarlet Pumpernickle: If I that I'm straight interpretates like that is because that is what it seems, and marriage isn't a thing neither, it just came from the heart, so what don't replace that words with another less offenssive to the people??, I'm straight and they offend me? do you never think if you can have a bro or sis, maybe a friend real close that can be gay and u don't know just because they know how are "The straig way people"?, I'm sorry honey, but they are humands just like me and you, respect over all......Oh! and I don't have gay family but i have gay friends...and are the best friends over the world, more than straight.....

2005-02-25 [Mayuya]: Oh sorry again before you say i don't know how to spell english, is not my first language....i'm from latin -america, what is america too, so i'm american.....

2005-02-25 [Mayuya]: marriages broke, my bro is divorce so his marriage is broken years ago, and you know surprise he isn't gay!!! neither my ex.sister in law!...

2005-02-25 [i am heddas lost brother]: Hey what do you think of gay people adopting a child?

2005-02-25 [Mayuya]: adopting a child?, is normal i guess, why can't they have the happinness of a kid?, thid kid will be gay or not being adopting for a gay couple or not, so what do you think about a straight couple adopting a child and then the child is gay?

2005-02-25 [e5hnzwu5]: My opinion is that it's not fair to the little child. Little kid's mind is twisted upside down from the very beginning. poor them. I DO NOT support that.

2005-02-25 [Mayuya]: ok, is your choice, but that kid will be gay or not being adopting by a gay couple or not..if a gay couple give to him/her a good education , isn't bad he/her will grow up straight, is like the straight couples that don't give to their kids a good education, otherwise it doesn't be important , is the way like u be, gay teach love, straight teach love too, so just the kid will take the way that he wants straight or not...

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: i don't support it...a child, while developing, need a mother *and* a fother...even children growing up in a single parent home are better off because they still have the influance of both parents (in most cases) but gays don't have that, and since they chose their life as gays, the concequence is they can't have children....

2005-02-25 [e5hnzwu5]: yeah. I agree with you rainedrop.

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: it has been proven that *ultimatly* homosexuality *is* a choice...one in which they choose to act upon...i enjoy the sight of a beautiful woman's body...that doesn't make me gay, it just means i am sexualy comfortable and can apriciate beauty regardless of sex...gays feel the same, but instead of just admiring something like that, they choose to *act* on it... gay couples *chose* their lives, and with those lives came the denial of marriage, and having children...incest couples are denied the *same* things, but they claim they are "in love" but we see nothing wrong saying NO to them...why? because it's not "right"? neither is Homosexuality

2005-02-25 [e5hnzwu5]: people don't born as a gay. They're straight from the beginning. Yea, it's a choice..

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: you are born with *no*sexual preferance...the part of your brain that interpraits love (romantic love, not love for a mother, or a dog) doesn't even develop until your late teen, early adult years...up until then, what you think is "love" is really just hormonally based lust for someone...you *can't* be "born gay" because NO ONE is born likeing *any* sex...it is something that happens naturally...and naturally, you are atracted to your opposite sex, only when you choose to go against that, are you "gay"....people like young men, 14 years old, mistake "not being horny" with being "gay"...they don't get a hard on *every time* they see a girl, so they assume they must be gay..or an overly horny

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: boy...they get a hard on at an awkward time, say in the boys showers, and the assume they *must* be "gay"..none of that is true...they are just going through puberty, and that is a confusing time for everyone...we are raised, told that we should like the opposite sex, because are brains don't have that preferance yet, but if you take away that influance, naturally, we choose the opposite sex...that is how we were *meant* to work, and thus why homosexuality is NOT natural, or right...they are decent people, who *can* love..but *choose* to love wrongly

2005-02-25 [e5hnzwu5]: In my opinion you do born straight. It's our nature. And it's in our genes.

2005-02-25 [Kayne]: WRONG. Every single person is born with biseksualurgences. You really should read up on your science.

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: i have...and you are not...you are born with the predisposition to liking the opposite sex, but your own feelings towards them do not develop until later in life...i took a whole class on this for Human Anatomy and Psycology...biseksualurgences don't make you gay either...we have a whole LOT of genes that we don't use...

2005-02-25 [e5hnzwu5]: I don't believe that everyone is born with biseksualurgences.

2005-02-25 [e5hnzwu5]: maybe you kayne were born as a bi but I wasn't.

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: don't believe so either...i think it's just another excuse gays have tried to use to make themselves not the blame for the way they are...they said it was a "chemical imbalacne" or a "brain abnormality" for a while, until that was proven false...now they are going for the genes, and so far, that too is proving false

2005-02-25 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: yup, i know a girl who claims her "testosterone is way off balance so she feels a physical need to balance her estrogen by seeking out another woman" i just sat and nodded...she also claimed that she was born with it and its not her fault....

2005-02-25 [e5hnzwu5]: what a moran she was..*sighs*

2005-02-25 [Mayuya]: we are not talking about incest...incest is dangerous for born, i mean several mind dager, body etc....can i xplain myself?, and is no good, but my mom and my dad are cousins ( i guess u maybe think is a kinda incest), blood cousins, they do it so much years ago they have 53 years marry, and nobody tols nothing, yes ok, incest is really bad, is the most badly thing can be, almost all start with a rape. But gay....mmm, i can agree and i'm sorry, you have good arguments but is not mine...hey someone that i can talk over here without fighting....that's great two differents points of view but just a only way to talk, "frienly one"...

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: hahaha...that is a problem you *can't* be born with and *only* even develop during puborty...*shakes head* i think she was joking, but still, she is a moron

2005-02-25 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: incest causes birth defects over time...i know that much

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: that it does, but not the first time, and incest couples rarely come from a history of it...and incest couples, as a means of getting married, have even offered to be fixed so they can't *have* children, just so they could be married...that would take away any "health risk" of it...but they are still denied...you know why? because we said it was "wrong" and we placed laws against it...we are TELLING you you CAN'T marry anyone closer related to you than your third cousin...so why can't we TELL you you can't marry your own sex? it's "wrong" so...the government tells you you *can't* do alot of things...gay mariage is just anothing thing i see nothing wrong with them saying "no" to it

2005-02-25 [Mayuya]: u are giving to me the reason i guess....why me [Mayuya] as govermmet or whatever, say u can't marry your same sex, is getting inside them lifes, maybe is not usual, but some countries do acept it, so one yes, other no, i really don't understand this society

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: it doesn't matter about society, what matters is what is right and *natural* every religion says homosexuality is wrong, not just christians, and scientists all agree that it is unnatural....so, why shouldn't the government, like it has with incest, say "you can't do that"? it already says that i *can't* kill, that i *can't* lie under othe, that i *can't* marry my brother...saying i *can't* marry another woman isn't overstepping any bounds of what they already say i *can't* do

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: "homosexuality is wrong": Hey, I will not say it's right...but it's not wrong, and even if it was...sociecy has done many stupid things.. that aren't right. I don't think Homosexually is unnatural.. because you just define "natural" as "men women relation ship."christians, and scientists " They dont' allways say it... I'm christian, and catholic. I like men I like women so am I wrong?... aren't I normal then?. Well maybe "normal " is not the word to use...

2005-02-25 [i am heddas lost brother]: absofuckinglutely rightio

2005-02-25 [Leelo]: Well seems like I've not been here in ages

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: according to the teachings of the different *religions* it's just plain wrong...i know for a fact that in the christian/ catholic/ hebrew texts, it says that homosexuality is a "detestable thing" and that their "own blood is upon them" meaning, they commit a "deadly sin"....and yes, it *is* unnatural, because take away all our emotions, and we are just organsms that spend the first half of our lives preparing for reproduction, and te second half of our lives, able to reproduce...that is our natural function...now, give us back our emotion and free will, that doesn't *change* our natural purpose, just gave it meaning and significance...

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: "detestable thing" ? Well that that makes me detestable? You mean nature is To reproduce then?

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: so, yes, you *are* wrong, if you are christian/catholic and you are bi/gay...it goes directly against the teachings you are supposed to follow in god's word...god may not *hate* you for it since he teaches "hate the sin, love the sinner" but, if you die still believing you did nothing wrong, you are an unrepented sinner in his eyes, and you will go to hell...that is what the bible teaches at least

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: and yes, in nature, that is our base function...to reproduce and spread our good genes...why do you think we go through puberty? so we can *have children* if humans were meant to be gay, and were "born that way" then why do gay people go through puberty?

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: I dont' care if I'm wrong with not "following" the religion", I feel confortable with it, and I do belive in God, I sometimes even practice the religion. So,then I'm wrong. Well I do belive there is a god, yes... but that doesn't mean that I belive in "heaven" or "hell"...The bible teahces many things, I do agree with some.. tohers don't. (that still doesn't mean that I don't belive in God)

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: Many people dont' have children, maybe just because they "Don't want to" Or can't. Look I dont' know why gay people ( or people, the same thing) go through puberty, but if they feel confortable with it, they are. I am... I don't think many humans think that "reproducuction" is our nature, I belive that some of them ( ow yes, many) just have sex.. that's all, the setified themself. But.. we'll never think the same way.

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: no...it means you believe in god, but disrespect him...so, you are going to hell, if you believe in it or not,....you believe in god but not in what he says? that is rather retarded...i mean, you believe in him being an all knowing, all powerful being, and yet *you* feel that your imperfect human thought, is better than his word? who are you to disagree with his teachings? you hold your own imperfect knowledge higher than GOD's?

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: many people don't have children because they don't *want* them....that is a choice...like homosexuality is a choice...sometimes, something happens and we can't have children, that is unfortunate, but it happens...but all humans go through puberty because it's our bodies maturing to either inpregnat someone, or bare a child...o woman's hips widen to bare a child and so on...people who claim they are gay because they were "meant to be" gay...why do their bodies go through it? why do lesbians get their pieriod if they were meant to be gay and never have children of their own?

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: I dont' belive in hell, I see you are Christian. BUt when I'm dead...I'll just be dead. I belive in god, because that's what I've been told,but what's in the bible is not what He says, it's what has hapened that people say. What I mean is...God Didn't write the bible, and even if he did by men...men was teh one who wrote it, No God. Ow I do belive in him, I dont' think he's "The Powrful" I just know he's there. and I didn't say I was better, or lees than him. God idn't perfect... we don't even know him, we just know things that others told.

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: I'm confortable with that. and it's all I'll say...I like both sexes and I'm normal. No one can tell me if I am or not, not even Religion. And I will allways think that way. I won't say you don't have good arguments, and part of them I accept. But Not all. Gay can have children yes.... but they dont' have to raise them "Mother father".

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: it was god writing the bible through men...and how can you believe in god and not in the bible? he ismn't mentioned any where else...if you don't read the bible, how would you know anything about him?

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: *shakes head* you are *not* normal, because what you are doing is not of the "norm."...and you *shouldn't* be comfortable with it, because you *are* wrong...and unnatural...and god will reject you, and you will not be allowed to marry...that is how it is...you *chose* to be that way, but none of us *have* to accept you in your disgusting ways...

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: I had readen the bible. But I Belive ther is a God,and I don't belive in all the bible . I don't it's like that and I can because I do. I wont' contradict religions to change them... just won't agree with some things, they are there I must accep them... but I dont' belive there was an "Adam and Eve", one of the things I don't belive in. I also belive in science. but that doesn't mean I don't belive in God. Deists ( if you write it liek that) belive in good but not in the Religion.

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: but *how* can you believe in a god when there is no support of him in any other sorce but his religios teachings? science directly contradicts the existance of a "god" so, if you don't believe in the bible, you *can't* believe in a god...

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: I'm confortable with it. and I dont' care I f i'm wrong or not.I'm not afraid of God's reject. I like beeing like that and you will have to accept it. Like I accept many of your opinions. And I did't chose to be that way, it just came.

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: no, you *did* choose...you *chose* to look at another girl, and instead of going, "wow, she is pretty" like any other straight woman would, you decided, "wow, shes pretty, i want to sleep with her"....that was *your* choice...

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: Well tell it to deists. I do belive in god, I go to church sometimes... I don't belive in ALL the bible. But some things I do. I can because I'm doing it.

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: I didn't chose to look. IT attracted me one day... and another..there. I dont' say "wow she's pretty I wan't to sleep with her", or "sleep with him".

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: you can, yes, but it isn't right...you can't reject *some* of god's teachings, because that is like you saying to god, *you* know more than god does...and that is wrong of you, and god doesn't stand for such disrespect

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: yes, you *do* you *chose* to act that way...i am attracted to woman...my head turns when a beautiful woman walks by, it attracted *me* like you say it did you...but i'm not gay, you know why? because i don't*act* on such things...i can appriciate a beautiful woman like i can a man, but i choose not to act pervertedly when it comes to either of them

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: I know, you and many people have said "it isn't right" . Disrrespecting God then? Sure I am then. an dwill if that si what people think I'm doing. I have my way of thinking.. you can not change that. No on can.. they can help me look for other opinions.. never change my mind. And if it's wrong let it be. Now tell be... is Eve did take that apple...then Adam... from the start we are all siners...and we will all go to that called " hell". Same thing. I'm not saying I knwo more that "god " does, but I dont' accept all the things writen in the bible. And that's it.

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: "pervertedly" ?? Jajaj. I dont' have to be pervert to like some one, to liek some one's actitude... ACTITUDE. When I see a man, I don't get all "sex thoughts"...and same thign with women.

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: no, we are not all going to "hell" because if you read the bible, and believed in god, you would know jesus died on the cross to forgive os of the "original sin" and aslong as we read god's word, and follow his teachings with our hearts, we will be forgiven our sins...but like i said...you would have to have read the bible and believed in god to know that...

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: I had readen the bible. I still think the same way. I belive in God. There. No more to say

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: no, not just the sex thoughts...it's the thought that you want to be *more* than just friends with a female that is perverted...you should date men, and be best friends with woman...that's how things work...you can see a lovely young woman, and then try to become her friend, but why her lover? lovemaking is for a man and a woman, that is just how our bodies *naturaly* work and fit

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: I date more men than women. I dont' have women friends... they are not allways good friends. I think that, of what I know. I don't care if that's the way, then I'm out of the right way, and wrong there. I'll still fell confortable.

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: i don't care if you're comfortable...infact, i don't even think you are really Bi...i think you just like the attention it brings, and you don't like people telling you what you can and can't do...so you date men, and kiss girls on the side...

2005-02-25 [Mayuya]: You know something the un-normal in here is you, NEVER, NEVER disrespect a person for what he/she is...ok maybe for your eyes gay marriage is bad , ok, maybe gays adopting kids is bad ok, those are your arguments , but GOD he never will disrespect one person for what it is...if this one beleive it will beleive gay or straight, call GOD, Mahoma, Ala or whatever is just someone we need to feel, but not for that i will disrespect the ppl who don't beleive in any religion u see, jJUST RESPECT, JUST THAT IS SO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND???????

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: no I don't. I dont' care if you think I'm or not something. I don't go telling people "Hey I like this girl". I don't. Now , some stupid girls do that to take some attention, it's pathetic. I don't, not many people even know that and not many people even knwo me, because I dont' like them to knwo me. I have my likes, I have my life, but I would never tell someone somethng that isn't true to bring attention, it's low, it's not who I am. Now why woudl I say it?. I don't go all over places kissing girls, or boys... non of them. if I like someone, I will nto like them because they are "good kissers" or "have a nice body". I'm confortable how I am, and with way I act.

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: i do respect...and i am talking to someone that *disrespects* God...and i say nothing that isn't already said by god...it isn't *me* saying anything since it's *god's* word...GOD no matter what name you give it, is against homosexuality...god teaches hate the sin, love the sinner....but, he will not allow someone who thinks they know better than him to be blessed...

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: And I “disrespect” a lot of people for “who they are” [Mayuya]….i disrespect prostitutes, and druggies, and murderers, and liars…and gays…..because none of them deserve respect because of the lives they chose to live

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: And I don't think we should discuss what I am or not. Because we dont' realy know each other. We are just discussing about our thoughts. not what we are. or are we then?

2005-02-25 [i am heddas lost brother]: no she is just saying it for fun......jesus she just told you she also dates woman and also likes woman, noooooooooooooo she is not bi..

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: Well then if you won't respect me. Don't. I can't change it. But at least we canhear what every one of us has to say.

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: i don't date woman...search my comments and you will see i never said that...i just said i can "appriciate an atractive woman"...so don't try and make shit up [i am heddas lost brother] because al my comments are there to read, and you are just making an ass of yourself

2005-02-25 [i am heddas lost brother]: hey rainedrop, i wasnt talking about you

2005-02-25 [Mayuya]: You know something my mom is a very catholic person, and she never tell me i will go to the hell because i have million years without going a church, or not read the bible all times, well i guess i just read it when i was in the school, i grow up in a nuns school, just for girls, and you know what?, the most perverts girls in the world where in there, so i get into high school and i told my mom to take me out there and get me into a mix high school, and wasn't a nuns mix high school, good friends until today i'm 38 and i still having them like friends no the nuns school...if you thing that a girl with 13 years old in the bathroom of a school with a friend too whatching hard core magazines

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: i don't like catholic schools because the girls that go there, don't go there because they *want* to, but because they are *forced* to...that is why there are so many "bad girls" there...alot of times "bad girls" are sent to such schools to "straighten them out"

2005-02-25 [Mayuya]: is ok because is not a playboy that is just women is ok, but i don't think a girl of 12 or 13 years old whatching what's the name "Hustler" is ok so God will give to those girls a prize because they are touching themselfes to be a straight woman , i know because i see, so i'm like Saint Thomas just see to beleive...that's pathetic, looking girls with friends (guys) kissing like they never do, all wet and yuk...LOVE honey is the way, those girls are straight but very pervert....so i like more to see two girls hanging their hands just and feel the love that they have one each other, no those pathetics straight couples that have sex wherever they can, of couse i'm not agree that a gay

2005-02-25 [Mayuya]: couple make sex infront of the others....Just RESPECT honey if i'm budist and don't beleive in god i will go to hell i guess, that's what are u saying, because god is just the catholic god...all are sons and daugther of god that's what the bible says o no?

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: i don't like to see a hetero couple do that, but more offten, i see gay couples making out wet and nasty like in the street...gay couples are NO DIFFERENT from straight couples where there are *some* that are perverted, and some that are not...there are perverted gays as well as perverted straights...there are prude straights, and prude gays...you are being very judgmental and closeminded if you think all gays are prude, and all straights are perverted....that isn't true, and you know it

2005-02-25 [Mayuya]: i'm not saying that, i know all are not prude and if i were closedminded i don't support gay marriage like you

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: people play up gays to be saints...but you know what? they aren't....they pay their taxes, but some lie on their taxes too, just like straight people sometimes do...they can be faithful in their relationship, but they can cheat on their other too, just like some straights do...they are just like us, same probems, same jobs...they just chose to be gay...they can make out in public, and they do, just like some straights do...

2005-02-25 [Mayuya]: but just one thing GOD is for every one not just straight......

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: yes, God is for everyone...and if you are gay, and you repent your sins, then god will accept you and bless you...god loves *everyone* but he doesn't accept or bless those that break his laws and comandments...he disaproves of gays as much as he does liars, and prostitutes, and murderers...he intends on send all of those unrepented sinners to hell, and gays are no acception....they *can* be good people...but good people can aslo end up being prostitutes, or lye...but if they repent, truely, with their hearts, then god forgives them...gays are *unrepented* sinners, so even though god loves them, they will not be blessed...

2005-02-25 [Mayuya]: a drogadict who takes the bread from his mouth to give it to a ppl that don't have is a siiner no?

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: meh? i didn't catch that...repeat please? i don't know what a "drogadict" is...

2005-02-25 [Mayuya]: and if i am a prostitute i can't be blessed for God like he did with Maria Magdalena

2005-02-25 [Mayuya]: but don't u see, ok , Adam and Eve....so then, Cain and Abel, then the humanity continues, tell me Cain had relations with eve to continue? so then they are pervert too...sinners...the snake over there....the original sin was that the eve sin not the rest...so we can't be a saints, just some and very few....

2005-02-25 [Mayuya]: because i don't beleive that cain have relations with adam because was a sin and they can't have kids, so cain like eve son's have relation with her mother to continue the human history.....no.....?

2005-02-25 [Mayuya]: RaineDrop: so i need to disrespect my cousin that is druggie and always take the bread from his mouth to help another one that needs more, no i don't disrespect, maybe i want he comes out the drugs, but he is a good man, he never kill, orrape or anything alike, but i need to disrespect, , look inside your house before seeing into the neighbors and sorry AGAIN MY ENGLISH

2005-02-25 [The Scarlet Pumpernickle]: No I don't beleive that Rainedrop is trying to imply that you must disrespect your cousin. Instead you must feel compasion for him. Oh and by the way Cain did NOT have relations with Eve. the Bible says, and I quote "And Cain knew his wife and she bore him E'noch" 

2005-02-25 [Leelo]: People are just stupid ya know? i hate it when they misinterrpret the bible on purpose just to be a smart ass!

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: thank you [The Scarlet Pumpernickle] what i *meant* was, hate the sin, love the sinner"...love your cousin, but make it known you do not agree with his lifestyle...that is all

2005-02-25 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: yup...that they do..and its sad, but God will deal with them in due time

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: Sure.. they are stupid... We all are. WE are very stupid.

2005-02-25 [Leelo]: Yeah i know, all we can do is pray for them!

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: THen all over here are "Christians" ?

2005-02-25 [i am heddas lost brother]: owned:D

2005-02-25 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: I am a Christian...whats your point?

2005-02-25 [The Scarlet Pumpernickle]: Oh and (to support the idea that gay people do choose to be gay) this happens after Cain is angry with God for not accepting his sacrifice. "The Lord said to Cain, "Why are you angry, and why has your countenance fallen? If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; it's desire is for you, but you must master it.""

2005-02-25 [The Scarlet Pumpernickle]: I think it is rather relavent..don't you?

2005-02-25 [Leelo]: This wiki is not filled by just christians

2005-02-25 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: no...you don't have to be christian to think homosecuality is wrong

2005-02-25 [Leelo]: ok everyone is talking too fast for me to comment lol hahahahaa and I agree with Scarlet!

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: You just Use the stupdi bible as an argument...

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: i am not any religion...i am merely weel versed in it's teachings...and regardless of what GOD you believe in or what name you give him/her, no established religion supports homosexuality

2005-02-25 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: don't call the bible stupid, i just said i was a christian and while i don't expect you to convert, i would appriciate some respect for somthing that important to me

2005-02-25 [The Scarlet Pumpernickle]: Oh and duende I do not just use the Bible as an argument for arguments sake. I do believe what it says. Even though there are some things that I do not understand.

2005-02-25 [Leelo]: How about we just ignore thse bone ehads, because arguing with them ain't gonna solve or get us no where, because they're just gonna be annoying little pricks! Why don't we be the better person and not ague our views with them, that will show them that we stand firm in what we believe in!

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: You do belive in it. But many people DON'T. And.. the bible is not there to understand.. just to follow, thats' what I think... and that's what I've been told. Homosexualytty is important to ME...and does it get respect?.

2005-02-25 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: Many people do believe in the bible, and not many people are for homosexuality....are you a homosexual?

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: "annoying little pricks" ? OW, So you think that?... that's pathetic.. it is. I find this discussion interesting. Though I don't agree with some thing, not that you do. We don't agree in all things. That's why we are clearing our minds.. if I can say it like that. I belive in GAY LOVe.. and if the bible says is not... I dont' care. But I will discuss... it's distracting.. an dyou even get to know other thoughts.

2005-02-25 [i am heddas lost brother]: You know what, a week ago or something like that someone made a comment about the i<3 jesus pic in my house, she asked me if i was a christian, i told her i wasnt and she told me i would go to satan, hell was my destiny, i fucking hate people who dont accept the fact that some people believe in something different, i honestlky dontk now if theres a god or not, but eh...i dont give a fuck:)

2005-02-25 [i am heddas lost brother]: and why did god made gay people if god even excists....

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: you are in a wiki that doesn't suppoort it...if you want to be accepted, go to a gay pride wiki...you won't find any acceptance here

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: [Snowboarding Hobitz]... we are writing.. we are talking.. we are knowing.. aren't we?...I dont' know it all, and I never said it. But I'm allso christin.. and I do belive in some things in the bible. But.. not all ad Scarlet said..somethings we dont' understand.

2005-02-25 [Leelo]: no because it's wrong, I mena just the fact of life would tell you it's wrong, I mean why do you think that theres a male and a female? Get it, male and female? What we support is somehtign that is right, what you support is somethign that is wrong and since you can't get your way you whine about it, and cry like a little baby. 99% percent of the population agrees that gayism is wrong, it's just a small 10% that agrees it's right, and they whine and squall like little babies, and make themselves look dumb! While us more civilized people who actually have working minds, dont' whine and squall about you not agreeing with us. So therefore your a big baby, adn we are the bigger persons.

2005-02-25 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: pathetic...comming into a "straight way" wiki and demanding respect for gay love is pathetic!!!! theres a pro homo wiki out there, go bleed your heart out to them

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: I know I won't.. do you think I'm dumb?...I'm here to read what you say. Beeing behing a stupid wall...makes us ignorants.. doesn't it?

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: 99% ...of where?........... Not here that I know.

2005-02-25 [Mayuya]: you beleive in what u want to beleive, but better person is one that respec the other  religions or sexuality or whatever thats a person , who is a good person because without seing that if is black or white, or chinese or american or hebrew or christian or gay or straight respect that is a good person ....

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: [i am heddas lost brother] said annoying little pricks...we didn't...he is hear to cause trouble because he "likes gay" so don't let *his* words turn you against us

2005-02-25 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: WTF are you saying, can you spell check your posts before you set them up here and make yourself look like more of a moron

2005-02-25 [Leelo]: lol

2005-02-25 [i am heddas lost brother]: `hahahaahahaha dude you made me laugh: 99% percent of the population agrees that gayism is wrong, it's just a small 10% that agrees it's right, and they whine and squall like little babies, and make themselves look dumb!, 99+10=109, omg:O and by the way they held a poll(dunno how to say it) and 20% of the people were gay, this was a hugescale poll. i think im gonna shut the fuck up and listen to The Village People - YMCA, :)

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: I told it to him... I remember once you.. not you.. someone told that he was here against gay marriage, then that he was in favor...

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: lol...i think the % is, in the last national servay taken, 90% of the amaerican public felt that GAY MARRIAGE was wrong...

2005-02-25 [Leelo]: heh.... you people are wierd, we all know you don't agree with us, and since you don't, why don't yuo go away and stop being a bother?

2005-02-25 [i am heddas lost brother]: what i was here against gay marriage? im not against gay marriage...

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: "they whine and squall like little babies"... and you aren't?... I dont' care how many people are against it...I'm in favor. and I feel great. You don't.. that's good for you. and it will allways be that way.

2005-02-25 [Leelo]: Oh yeha that's righ sory rain I was trying to remember and I forgot lol

2005-02-25 [Leelo]: well I'm not whining because you don't agree you don't see me in the support gay marrage wiki

2005-02-25 [The Scarlet Pumpernickle]: Oh and by the way God did not make Gay people gay. He created them "good" ever heard of origional sin? That was Man's Fault. Not God's. He Gave them (us) free will and we used it to sin.

2005-02-25 [Leelo]: whining like ya'll are here

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: Beeing a bother?... ow well... hats' good.. we are all a bother.. infact. But I'm here... so deal with it.

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: We're talking.. we're changing ideas..even if we aren't on the same side. And that's not wrong. I've known many things, I've seen some good arguments...It's interesting... if not.. it would be boring don't you think?

2005-02-25 [Leelo]: Yeah you are and I am, and I'm not whining about it, but if you are gonna be here please don't be annoying!

2005-02-25 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: we can change that ...

2005-02-25 [Mayuya]: Snowboarding Hobitz: I can be in here because i'm straight no?, well I'm straight and i am in some pro homo wikis and i guess its free to be in here too, or just you want to talk bad about gays? i guess u may discuss some topics...but well maybe we are pathethic as u are.....

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: ever heard of origional sin?... yes I have... do you think I don't know anything about the Christian religion?...I do I told you I won't agree with all.

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: okay...this is getting out of hand...everyone calm down

2005-02-25 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: At least I keep my comments in the appropriate place, how would people respond if i came into the gay support wiki and demanded them to respect me? same thing as going on here...I'm not pathetic, I am vocal about what is RIGHT

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: Annoying?... if I'm on the opposite side... who can I be?.. you won't be agreeing with things I say.. that will annoy maybe.

2005-02-25 [Leelo]: that's lovely and we care?

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: that is true...this is not a wiki to complain or voice your support of gays and *demand* anything from us...so just everyone CALM DOWN!

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: I dont' care. I'm here....I'm not allways down.. I must walk. and I am... that's how you get to know things....

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: then stop turning this into a *fight* and leave it as a debate...there is to be no more namecalling! CIVILYT voice your opinions...ALL of you

2005-02-25 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: you make no sense to me....therefor i retire from this conversation, I'm lowering myself to your level...

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: You know... maybe we don't agree in this point.. but maybe we do in others... that othe people don't. I just find interesting arguing with you...And distracting.. talkign about many things...jaj it's great... even if we fight....

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: My level is as good as yours... and yours as mine... We just have different opinions.

2005-02-25 [Mayuya]: RaineDrop: of course it must be a debate, but with only people whit the same thoughts, then it won't be a datebase i guess a debate is when u have many points of view, and i am not annoying, if u come to some wiki i mean gay wiki, i'm sure never will be unrespect that we be over here, i'm trying to understand and really I don't know why this fight..maybe someone start with some hard argummet really irespecful , i'm straight, and very straight, i live with my partner (that's not well seing from God's eyes) but well, i'm in ET i can go up and down to see to learn to DEBATE...please people...calmmmm

2005-02-25 [duende_negro]: Well.. maybe we did get to a point "Zero".. I mean about.. not arguing.. but I'll be here...watching what you say. Maybe comment less because I must go. BUt It was nice "Fighting" with you. I'm honest...Really. But now I have your areguments for my documental....Well a small one... but I can't do it with just one side...I need both. You are the other one. People should know. Thanks.. and... now you can say " ow the little annoying thig is gone great!".I'm not gone.. But nice talk. .

2005-02-25 [Mayuya]: Snowboarding Hobitz: great one that gives up....i'm not at your level i guess no, I'm better because i think and i know i not always have the reason, and when i don't have i acept, why can't u accept too??? is that so hard to say yes u have the reason in X or Y thing.....?

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: no, i don't mind debate, and i know *what* they are...i was on a debate team...i'm saying there is to be no NAMECALLING in a debate...it is a *fight* when the people stop attacking the issue and start attacking each other...

2005-02-25 [Mayuya]: I won't give up that easy but i will be making sin with my partner....great no? hehe bye people see ya later...!!

2005-02-25 [Echo Rhapsody]: I'm joining this page

2005-02-25 [hercules the legend]: Same here brother!

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: woot! yay!

2005-02-25 [hercules the legend]: Yes we twins do everything together!

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: so how are you boys today?

2005-02-25 [hercules the legend]: Just fine, my brother had to go so i am left here

2005-02-25 [RaineDrop]: cool...lol

2005-02-25 [hercules the legend]: lol.

2005-02-26 [Rizzen]: jeez, what all did I miss since this morning? Since when did our debate devolve into namecalling and personall attacks?

2005-02-26 [RaineDrop]: i know...really...i really tried to stop it,...but no one listens to me...(^_^") i could barely keep up with the comments...

2005-02-26 [duende_negro]: Well at least now no one is calling someone names.

2005-02-26 [RaineDrop]: names names names! i'm calling you "names"! (^_-)

2005-02-26 [Kurai Tenma]: Lol. I must say, that was funny.

2005-02-26 [RaineDrop]: and so true! i'm gunna call you names too! "names!" *points at you* Names names!

2005-02-26 [Kurai Tenma]: Go for it. Doesn't bother me...

2005-02-26 [RaineDrop]: lol...then you are one of the mighty that doesn't let "names" bother you...

2005-02-26 [Kurai Tenma]: Nope. ^^ I'm above that stage in life.

2005-02-26 [RaineDrop]: i'm not above throwing "names" at people...muhahaha!

2005-02-26 [Kurai Tenma]: Go for it.

2005-02-26 [RaineDrop]: but there is no one else here? *pouts*

2005-02-26 [Kurai Tenma]: Not right now. No. I'm sorry. NAMES!

2005-02-26 [RaineDrop]: what! oh no you di'n't!!! *snaps fingers at you*

2005-02-26 [Kurai Tenma]: Lol. I couldn't help it. G'night. Tootles.

2005-02-26 [RaineDrop]: night

2005-02-26 [hercules the legend]: Atmostrata sure loves for people to go for the name calling, ha! I like that in a person! I usually dare people to talk bad about me and start something with me, because I'd be happy to finnish it for them!

2005-02-26 [RaineDrop]: lol! well, you know what? i'm gunna call you names too! NAMES!

2005-02-26 [hercules the legend]: YAY!!! I feel so loved!!!

2005-02-26 [RaineDrop]: you shouldn't...because i hate you...NAMES!

2005-02-26 [hercules the legend]: Awww I still feel loved, I feel special that you'd call me names and hate me! I feel a hug coming on! X)

2005-02-26 [Echo Rhapsody]: -backs off scared-.....hugging...strange